Broadcast HD digital channels (Clear-QAM)

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Found the following response to a question about channels and would like to ask a question related to it:
"Cox does not provide a listing of the Clear QAM Digital channels.&nbsp; There are only a handful anyway and Cox is constantly changing the channel numbers.&nbsp; Without an HD STB or Retail CableCARD device all you get are the Local HD channels, available Analog, and a few Clear QAM Digital"
OK, I would like to know why COX does not publish a list of channels that clearly states which ones require cable box or CableCard device and which ones don't?&nbsp;
It is also interesting that to get most cable services requires some type of decryption device which usually have HDMI (or other non-coax) connection to display device (TV or monitor).&nbsp; So the TVs we buy have television tuning circuits that we don't use (if using the HDMI input).&nbsp; Comparable computer monitors could be used as display (HDMI-DVI converters are cheap) but on average cost more.&nbsp; What is wrong with this picture?&nbsp;

domino · Answer

Honda600: "OK, I would like to know why COX does not publish a list of channels that clearly states which ones require cable box or CableCard device and which ones don't?"
They do. Go to http://ww2.cox.com/residential/tv/channel-lineup.cox making sure your location is correctly set. The PDF version is easier. Look at the little notations by each channel, and the "footnote" explanation at the bottom of the page. The equipment requirements are listed. Those channels without notation are analog and need no extra equipment.

bryaninphx · Answer

Domino said:
They do. Go to http://ww2.cox.com/residential/tv/channel-lineup.cox making sure your location is correctly set. The PDF version is easier. Look at the little notations by each channel, and the "footnote" explanation at the bottom of the page. The equipment requirements are listed. Those channels without notation are analog and need no extra equipment.

OK,&nbsp; Domino, Let's test your answer based on those notations for the Phoenix, Arizona market, PDFhttp://media.cox.com/support/print_media/tv/cls/arizona/cl_phoenix.pdf
What is the HD or SD Digital Clear-QAM Channel for the following: (Cox STB/CableCARD Channel in parentheses () )
(1008) KAET&nbsp; – PBS HD(80) KAET&nbsp; – PBS Life SD Sub Channel(1010) KSAZ – FOX HD(1016) WGN HD(1017) KPPX — ION HD(122) The Pentagon Channel

domino · Answer

bryaninphx said:
Domino said:
They do. Go to http://ww2.cox.com/residential/tv/channel-lineup.cox making sure your location is correctly set. The PDF version is easier. Look at the little notations by each channel, and the "footnote" explanation at the bottom of the page. The equipment requirements are listed. Those channels without notation are analog and need no extra equipment.

OK,&nbsp; Domino, Let's test your answer based on those notations for the Phoenix, Arizona market, PDFhttp://media.cox.com/support/print_media/tv/cls/arizona/cl_phoenix.pdf
What is the HD or SD Digital Clear-QAM Channel for the following: (Cox STB/CableCARD Channel in parentheses () )
(1008) KAET&nbsp; – PBS HD(80) KAET&nbsp; – PBS Life SD Sub Channel(1010) KSAZ – FOX HD(1016) WGN HD(1017) KPPX — ION HD(122) The Pentagon Channel

I didn't say that the ClearQAM channel number was listed (although in my market they are usually the same as the STB channel number. For example, KFMB-DT is 1008 on the STB and 1008 on ClearQAM.) What I said was the little symbols next to the channel denote what, if any, extra equipment was needed. The channels that you listed had either a [triangle] or [Circle], or both, meaning they need additional equipment, which means that they aren't ClearQAM at all. What makes you think that they are ClearQAM?

bryaninphx · Answer

Domino said:The channels that you listed had either a [triangle] or [Circle], or both, meaning they need additional equipment, which means that they aren't ClearQAM at all. What makes you think that they are ClearQAM?

This was not a trick question, but an exercise showing that Cox does not provide a Channel Listing for the Clear-QAM Channels YES every Channel I listed has a notation of a Triangle, that tells you it is a Clear-QAM, just not where to find it.
For the Phoenix market all Local HD and Local SD sub-channels are mapped to their OTA channel number.
Just a few Examples:
8-1&nbsp; KAET&nbsp; – PBS HD8-2&nbsp; KAET&nbsp; – PBS Life SD Sub Channel10-1&nbsp; KSAZ – FOX HD51-1&nbsp; KPPX — ION HD
But the Additional available Clear-QAMs are apparently random and channel assignments do change
Just a few Examples:
79-3&nbsp; WGN HD110-62&nbsp; The Pentagon Channel
It would be nice and very easy if Cox would just provide the Channel number listings for Clear-QAM tuners.
SiliconDust used to provide Channel Listings for the Clear-QAM Channels for every major market, and provider, but they have stopped and now only provide the OTA Channels.http://www.silicondust.com/support/channels/

domino · Answer

bryaninphx said:
Domino said:The channels that you listed had either a [triangle] or [Circle], or both, meaning they need additional equipment, which means that they aren't ClearQAM at all. What makes you think that they are ClearQAM?

This was not a trick question, but an exercise showing that Cox does not provide a Channel Listing for the Clear-QAM Channels YES every Channel I listed has a notation of a Triangle, that tells you it is a Clear-QAM, just not where to find it.
No, a triangle notation tells you the channel is NOT ClearQAM.
Nobody has ever stated that Cox provides ClearQAM channel locations.

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