T3 and T4 Timeouts from an ex-field technician
Starting in September of 2013, I noticed my connection becoming intermittent at best. Voice conferencing and gaming would literally go from 23 ms to over 10k ms and then obviously I would disconnect from the server. About a week after this first started happening, it started to randomly disconnect while I was simply browsing the internet. I found the modem was cycling itself. At the time I had an extremely old but trusty Motorola Surfboard SB5100. Despite having this modem throughout the DOCSIS 3.0 updates, and despite it having worked fine through it all hither to the point in time, I figured it may be the modem (after a 12 year run, I wasn't complaining...) I accessed the modem diagnostic page at 192.168.100.1 and saw that in the logs there were massive amounts of T3 timeouts. Being an ex-field technician for Cox, I knew this could have gone one of two ways. It was either the modem or it was something in the node (most likely an amplifier in the trunk line) that was to blame. I called Cox for the heck of it just to see if they could see anything on their end, and as usual, no. Everything on their end was fine, but again, having been a field tech for 5 years, I know that phone based customer service is very limited, they're not at the house, they don't have a meter and they're sure as heck not taking level readings. Ok, fair enough. I purchased a Motorola Surfboard SB6141 to replace the 5100 and finally upgrade to DOCSIS 3.0. I called them, had the modem provisioned, went to the diagnostics page, was "wowed" by 8 downstream and 4 upstream channels, wondering why I had not upgraded the modem sooner, but alas, not 2 hours after provisioning, there was a T3 timeout. Now I know it's not the modem, time to get on the phone and make things happen. I called, they said they would send a tech out. The tech (CONTRACTOR) came out and I explained the whole situation to him. I showed him the modem diagnostics, I explained what I knew about everything, and he agreed with me. He did NOT check levels, he did NOT check the tap at the pole (I have a 340 foot drop from the pole to the house, it's RG-11. A new install was done less than a year ago, including the drop and inside lines, and I told him this, so he probably "assumed" things were good up there...). He scheduled a 5C, which is the "internal" code name for "get a maintenance (plant) technician out to the pole to see what's up". I got a call from my old lead technician about a week later. He told me that the maintenance tech found water in the drop and cut it back to where the "stinger" (copper in the connector) wasn't black from water damage, and that another tech would be out in the next day or two in order to run a new drop. Two days later ANOTHER CONTRACTOR comes to the house to run the new drop. I saw his spool of RG-11 and I knew he didn't have enough left to get from the pole to the house. He removed the drop at the sub pole, and due to not wanting to bother him, I came back inside. 20 minutes later I went back out and he was gone. He never replaced the drop. He probably figured he didn't have enough cable to do it after removing the drop at the sub pole, rehung it, and left. This pissed me off. In the meantime I contacted my old lead and asked him what the deal was, explaining that not only were these T3's still happening, but they were getting worse, and they were leading into T4's. He scheduled for the drop to be re-run AGAIN the next week and made sure it would be an in house guy arriving, NOT a contractor. Sure enough, another lead technician and a field tech came to the house and ran a new drop. They didn't have enough RG-11 so they ran half RG-11, then installed a ground block at the sub pole and ran RG-6 the rest of the way. He said he would be back (this was a month ago and it still hasn't happened) to replace the RG-6 half of the drop with RG-11. He gave me his cell number to contact directly if this kept going on. It kept going on. The T3's were getting worse. I asked him on the phone to set up a 5C, he said he would but this was a week and a half after he replaced the drop and hadn't been out to finish the RG-11, so my faith in relying on him was null. I therefore called customer service. I explained that, despite having JUST bought a new modem, FIOS was a phone call away if this wasn't resolved. Per usual, they went RIGHT back to square one and wanted to send out a tech. I told them to stop reading the script from their screen and focus on their keyboard in order to LISTEN AND UNDERSTAND exactly what I had JUST explained to them. For over a month I was implying that this was a plant issue, no one wanted to listen. The phone techs didn't want to listen, the lead techs did not want to listen, the lead techs kept coming back with 50 other excuses as to what could be causing it. I questioned them as to why they would do this when they knew I used to be a tech and I wasn't an idiot. The final call was made to customer service. Again, they said they had to send a tech out, despite two months of this **, in order to get a 5C scheduled. Ok, last time I am playing this game. The tech came out and I caught him on my way home from work. He was an in house guy and I caught him as he was at the pole taking levels. He told me that every port from the tap was bonkers, he replaced the tap and the levels were STILL bonkers, and that he did not understand how two lead techs and four field techs didn't realize this was a plant issue from day one. I concurred. He took down every piece of information I gave him about the new drop, the new modem, signal levels at the modem, etc, etc, and made a detailed log for the maintenance techs who came out. He also told me that there are only SIX HOUSES ON MY NODE, LITERALLY. This means that the trunk line feeding my house only feeds a total of 6 houses. Do you know how easy that is for plant (maintenance) to troubleshoot? There is one amplifier that is literally humping my tap, if here's an inch of trunk line from the amplifier into the tap then it's a lot. I suspected that amplifier from the get go, but even if it wasn't, there would only be at most ONE MORE amplifier in that node, so yeah, one amp checked out good, guess which one's bad? Real easy stuff here people, real easy. So, the tech scheduled the 5C (the second one that had to happen in this whole fiasco), and the maintenance tech came out. I don't know if it was the same or a different one, but this time around (after TWO MONTHS OF THIS **) the problem was resolved. It has been two weeks and I have not seen a single T3 or T4 in my log. I see where it lost connection due to the maintenance guy doing what he had to do and of course the service gets interrupted during this, but honestly, after the modem cycle, there is not ONE added entry to the log, nothing; whereas every other "visit" would result in a T3 less than 10 minutes later. These T3 (and later T4's due to the issue getting progressively worse) were happening every ten to twenty minutes on some days, other days every hour or so. I use VOIP for telephone. Imagine not having 911 access for the whole day because your ISP can't get it's act together. I held out having FIOS reinstalled (it was installed here when it first came out) because I honestly can't stand those hacks. Having said that, had that last tech not been so thorough, had the second maintenance tech not done his job and resolved the issue, Verizon was seriously the next phone call. I didn't go into a whole lot of detail about levels and diagnostics here because I did enough of that with customer service and all the techs that visited. I wanted to make a point here to Cox. Not all customers are complete idiots. Not all customers have zero clue about how information travels from their house to the MTC. Maybe instead of treating everyone equally as morons, you should start treating them all equally as intelligent folk. Imagine how many folks out there were never field techs, imagine how many would have switched back to Verizon within the first week, let alone sticking it out for two months. I was a field tech, I have working knowledge of the system, I was treated like a complete idiot, how do you think that makes me feel? It actually makes me feel pretty damned good right about now knowing I was right the whole damned time about the issue being a plant related occurrence, but I can tell you right now when these people tell you over the phone and face to face that you're "wrong", and that they need to go through steps that, again as an ex-tech, you KNOW they don't need to go through, all the while the internet that we pay for monthly and (in some cases) our phone service (through another provider in my instance) has fallen to complete useless garbage, labeling it as "infuriating" somehow undermines the true nature of it. I know that not every single problem faced is one of a plant issue, this is obvious. Red flags should be raised, however, after every single other step has been taken and fails, instead of attempting to loop the same damned process all over again; that is simply ridiculous. What is also ridiculous is the fact that contractors are being sent in place of in house technicians and basically this leads to repeat trouble calls. This is something that is completely unacceptable, especially when one has to take time out of their day (or out of work) every time a call has to be rescheduled. I know not every contractor is a bad contractor, but out of the entire bunch, I can name 3 that I would have work at my house, that's about it. To make it relative to the in house technicians, I can list about 20 off the top of my head that I would let work at my house from start to finish with a cable job any day of the year. I hope this type of issue, or at least the steps to the resolution of this type of problem does not happen again. I will definitely be more prone to calling Verizon early on if an issue is not resolved in a suitable amount of time, not TWO MONTHS AFTER.46KViews4likes2Comments
Motorola SB6141 Speed Problems
I purchased a Motorola SB6141 on Amazon to replace my SB6120, however I'm getting slower speeds on the 6141. I tested both modems today and I got 60 down on the 6120 and I only get 27 down on the 6141. I've been back and forth with various cox techs and I havemaintenancecoming out tomorrow, but I still can't understand why the 6141 would be slower. My signals look fine as far as I can tell, see below. I'm on the ultimate tier and in my area it says that should be up to 150 Mb/s. I get 40+ on my upstream on either modem. Any ideas or thoughts on why I would be having these issues? Model Name: SB6141 Vendor Name: Motorola Firmware Name: SB_KOMODO-1.0.6.8-SCM01-NOSH Boot Version: PSPU-Boot(25CLK) 1.0.12.18m3 Hardware Version: 7.0 Downstream Bonding Channel Value Channel ID 61 62 63 64 Frequency 687000000 Hz 693000000 Hz 699000000 Hz 705000000 Hz Signal to Noise Ratio 38 dB 38 dB 39 dB 38 dB Downstream Modulation QAM256 QAM256 QAM256 QAM256 Power Level The Downstream Power Level reading is a snapshot taken at the time this page was requested. Please Reload/Refresh this Page for a new reading 8 dBmV 8 dBmV 8 dBmV 8 dBmV Upstream Bonding Channel Value Channel ID 2 1 3 4 Frequency 31200000 Hz 37600000 Hz 25400000 Hz 22200000 Hz Ranging Service ID 5505 5505 5505 5505 Symbol Rate 5.120 Msym/sec 5.120 Msym/sec 2.560 Msym/sec 2.560 Msym/sec Power Level 40 dBmV 42 dBmV 39 dBmV 38 dBmV Upstream Modulation [3] QPSK [3] 64QAM [3] QPSK [3] 64QAM [3] QPSK [2] 16QAM [3] 64QAM [3] QPSK [2] 16QAM [3] 64QAM Ranging Status Success Success Success Success Signal Stats (Codewords) Bonding Channel Value Channel ID 61 62 63 64 Total Unerrored Codewords 51560837 50830542 50838734 50846929 Total Correctable Codewords 16 16 10 0 Total Uncorrectable Codewords 557 560 555 54919KViews0likes17CommentsUpload Speeds drop in the Evening.
Been having some issues as of late. in the evening the upload speeds drop considerably. to the point where my sons can not game online on their ps4. bought a new modem and new router thinking it would solve the issue. then we upgraded to the ultimate package at 300/30. sometime around 7pm every night the upload speeds drop and come back around 10pm or so. all other times speeds seem to be fine. what could it be? have had a tech out and he changed all ends on the cables and signal tests were good at that point. issue still hasn't been resolved. requency start Value This field below allows you to modify the frequency the cable modem start with its scan during initialization and registration. Enter the new start frequency and restart the cable modem for it to take effect. Starting Frequency Startup Procedure Procedure Status Comment Acquire Downstream Channel 825000000 Hz Locked Connectivity State OK Operational Boot State OK Operational Security Enable BPI+ IP Provisioning Mode Honor MDD IPv4 only Downstream Bonded Channels Channel Lock Status Modulation Channel ID Frequency Power SNR Correctables Uncorrectables 1 Locked QAM256 3 825000000 Hz 2.7 dBmV 38.0 dB 0 0 2 Locked QAM256 1 813000000 Hz 2.4 dBmV 37.8 dB 3 0 3 Locked QAM256 2 819000000 Hz 2.5 dBmV 37.9 dB 1 0 4 Locked QAM256 4 831000000 Hz 3.0 dBmV 38.1 dB 2 0 5 Locked QAM256 5 837000000 Hz 3.3 dBmV 38.1 dB 4 0 6 Locked QAM256 6 843000000 Hz 3.8 dBmV 38.2 dB 1 0 7 Locked QAM256 7 849000000 Hz 4.1 dBmV 38.3 dB 3 0 8 Locked QAM256 8 855000000 Hz 4.4 dBmV 38.2 dB 4 0 9 Locked QAM256 9 861000000 Hz 4.7 dBmV 38.3 dB 4 0 10 Locked QAM256 10 867000000 Hz 4.9 dBmV 38.2 dB 3 0 11 Locked QAM256 11 873000000 Hz 5.0 dBmV 38.2 dB 1 0 12 Locked QAM256 12 879000000 Hz 5.2 dBmV 38.3 dB 2 0 13 Locked QAM256 13 885000000 Hz 5.2 dBmV 38.2 dB 3 0 14 Locked QAM256 14 891000000 Hz 5.0 dBmV 38.0 dB 5 0 15 Locked QAM256 15 897000000 Hz 4.8 dBmV 37.8 dB 7 0 16 Locked QAM256 16 903000000 Hz 4.7 dBmV 37.6 dB 6 0 17 Locked QAM256 17 909000000 Hz 4.5 dBmV 38.3 dB 0 0 18 Locked QAM256 18 915000000 Hz 4.4 dBmV 38.2 dB 0 0 19 Locked QAM256 19 921000000 Hz 4.1 dBmV 37.9 dB 0 0 20 Locked QAM256 20 927000000 Hz 4.0 dBmV 37.7 dB 0 0 21 Locked QAM256 21 933000000 Hz 3.7 dBmV 37.5 dB 0 0 22 Locked QAM256 22 939000000 Hz 3.4 dBmV 37.3 dB 0 0 23 Locked QAM256 23 945000000 Hz 3.2 dBmV 37.1 dB 0 0 24 Locked QAM256 24 951000000 Hz 3.0 dBmV 37.0 dB 0 0 Upstream Bonded Channels Channel Lock Status US Channel Type Channel ID Symbol Rate Frequency Power 1 Locked ATDMA 2 5120 Ksym/sec 23300000 Hz 42.0 dBmV 2 Locked TDMA and ATDMA 1 2560 Ksym/sec 18400000 Hz 41.5 dBmV 3 Locked ATDMA 3 5120 Ksym/sec 29800000 Hz 44.5 dBmV 4 Locked ATDMA 4 5120 Ksym/sec 36300000 Hz 44.0 dBmV17KViews0likes62Comments
Only 3 of 4 upstream channels bonded in DOCSIS 3. Is this normal?
My DOCSIS 3.0 cable modem's status page says: Upstream Bonded Channels Channel Lock Status US Channel Type Channel ID Symbol Rate Frequency Power 1 Locked ATDMA 3 5120 Ksym/sec 36100000 Hz 43.5 dBmV 2 Locked TDMA and ATDMA 1 2560 Ksym/sec 23300000 Hz 39.0 dBmV 3 Locked ATDMA 2 5120 Ksym/sec 29600000 Hz 41.0 dBmV 4 Not Locked Unknown 0 0 Ksym/sec 0 Hz 0.0 dBmV Is it normal that only 3 of the 4 upstream channels are bonded? I am using the same coaxial cable for internet as for my satellite dish with an in-line amplifier and attenuator on the modem. Does this limit my bandwidth and make it so that my upstream channel 4 doesn't lock? thanks14KViews0likes8CommentsCox Internet speeds increasing?
I got an e-mail this morning from Cox stating that my internet speeds would be increasing "up to 100mbps". I understand that the 100mbps is probably an "ultimate" package, but I just wanted to say thank you and let Cox know that we are appreciative of the speed upgrades across the network. A representative on the phone told me that my service was going to be upgraded from 3mbps to 5mbps due to the upgrade. Glad to see that Cox is keeping their system in a position to offer top tier services. Would it be possible to find out a little more info regarding the change and why it's happening? (i.e., is there new fiber in OKC that is allowing this, or is it a simple update to the pricing schedule?) Either way, thank you!Solved14KViews0likes13Comments
Trouble with Motorola SB6141 Docsis 3.0 modem and T3 errors.
I upgraded to a DOCSIS 3.0 modem yesterday, and ever since, I've been having internet drops at random times, seemingly starting with T3 errors, looking at the logs, but I'm not sure about that. What happens is suddenly I am unable to access the internet, and similarly unable to access the router configuration or the modem configuration, which makes no sense to me, but, ignoring that, here's a sample of the log: ***Edited to remove logs contain MAC address The T3 happened around the time everything went wonky. Not sure if it's the cause or not. and here's my signal information: and finally, some information from the help page: Model Name: SB6141 Vendor Name: Motorola Firmware Name: SB_KOMODO-1.0.6.12-SCM00-NOSH Boot Version: PSPU-Boot(25CLK) 1.0.12.18m3 Hardware Version: 7.0 In addition, my download speeds seem to be pinned at 32 Mbps max, I should be getting up to 50, and my upload starts out anywhere from 7-12 Mbps, but then quickly drops to 3-4 and stays there.Solved13KViews0likes15Comments
Required Internet Package for Netflix Viewing
I've been with Cox for a few years now and have always had the Preferred Internet Package. I did some research, I found that Netflix only requires 5 Mbps to display HD. Why does Cox warn people that you NEED the Preferred 50Mbps internet package? My internet works just fine now that I switched over to the Starter Internet. Does anybody else have any issues with the 5Mbps internet?9.7KViews0likes4CommentsRoanoke [VA] Abysmal Speeds during peak hours 5pm through midnight.
Arris SB6190 modem, Windows 7 x64. Ultimate Tier 200/20. Roanoke County - Virginia Signal levels are all good on the modem just half the speed + packet loss/latency in video games during peak hours 5/6pm - 10/12pm after that the speeds return to normal. I can still watch netflix, browse, and do general things at half the speed sometimes lower like 60mb. Playing any sort of video games that require low latency is out of the question. Nothing running in the background like netflix or any other streaming services, etc. Scanned computer for malware/viruses with eset - nothing. Tried direct connect from modem no router in-between same results. 12/29/2015 - 10PM 12/30/2015 Midnight 1/1/2016 - 10PM 1/2/2016 - 2amish ( When the internet speeds go back to normal) 1/2/2016 - 5pm 1/2/2016 - 7PM 10pm 1/2/16 Tracing route to google.com [74.125.224.96] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms [192.168.1.1] 2 33 ms 33 ms 27 ms 10.64.248.1 3 36 ms 30 ms 30 ms 98.172.172.206 4 402 ms 17 ms 34 ms ashbbprj01-ae3.0.rd.as.cox.net [68.1.0.214] 5 100 ms 22 ms 42 ms 68.105.30.118 6 51 ms 15 ms 17 ms 209.85.252.80 7 136 ms 143 ms 137 ms 72.14.236.152 8 177 ms 155 ms 166 ms 72.14.232.71 9 55 ms 65 ms 61 ms 209.85.247.4 10 62 ms 56 ms 59 ms 72.14.238.83 11 91 ms 89 ms 93 ms 216.239.40.8 12 87 ms 89 ms 91 ms 209.85.247.0 13 81 ms 89 ms 91 ms 209.85.250.245 14 86 ms 95 ms 111 ms lax02s19-in-f0.1e100.net [74.125.224.96] Is my node overloaded?9.3KViews0likes16CommentsNode Split progress inquiry.
Arris SB6190 modem, Windows 7 x64. Ultimate Tier 200/20. Roanoke County - Virginia Signal levels are all good on the modem just half the speed + packet loss/latency in video games during peak hours 5/6pm - 10/12pm after that the speeds return to normal. I can still watch netflix, browse, and do general things at half the speed sometimes lower like 60mb. Playing any sort of video games that require low latency is out of the question. Nothing running in the background like netflix or any other streaming services, etc. Scanned computer for malware/viruses with eset - nothing. Tried direct connect from modem no router in-between same results. 12/29/2015 - 10PM 12/30/2015 Midnight 1/1/2016 - 10PM 1/2/2016 - 2amish ( When the internet speeds go back to normal) 1/2/2016 - 5pm 1/2/2016 - 7PM 10pm 1/2/16 Tracing route to google.com [74.125.224.96] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms [192.168.1.1] 2 33 ms 33 ms 27 ms 10.64.248.1 3 36 ms 30 ms 30 ms 98.172.172.206 4 402 ms 17 ms 34 ms ashbbprj01-ae3.0.rd.as.cox.net [68.1.0.214] 5 100 ms 22 ms 42 ms 68.105.30.118 6 51 ms 15 ms 17 ms 209.85.252.80 7 136 ms 143 ms 137 ms 72.14.236.152 8 177 ms 155 ms 166 ms 72.14.232.71 9 55 ms 65 ms 61 ms 209.85.247.4 10 62 ms 56 ms 59 ms 72.14.238.83 11 91 ms 89 ms 93 ms 216.239.40.8 12 87 ms 89 ms 91 ms 209.85.247.0 13 81 ms 89 ms 91 ms 209.85.250.245 14 86 ms 95 ms 111 ms lax02s19-in-f0.1e100.net [74.125.224.96] Reopening my old thread since I cannot get a clear date of my node split. First was by march the 30th then April 30th. Every single night I sit around 15mb down with high latency and can barely watch basic low definition youtube videos. When summer hits the internet will be totally unusable since it's been confirmed a node split is needed. I'm connected directly to my internet with a Cat 6A ethernet cable. Believe me I've been through all the steps over and over. I see most areas have been upgraded to 16 downstream channels while the roanoke area remains at 12 down stream channels. Modem Levels SB6190Solved7.8KViews0likes21Comments
Trouble with Motorola SB6141 Docsis 3.0 modem and T3 errors.
I upgraded to a DOCSIS 3.0 modem yesterday, and ever since, I've been having internet drops at random times, seemingly starting with T3 errors, looking at the logs, but I'm not sure about that. What happens is suddenly I am unable to access the internet, and similarly unable to access the router configuration or the modem configuration, which makes no sense to me, but, ignoring that, here's a sample of the log: ***Edited to remove logs contain MAC address The T3 happened around the time everything went wonky. Not sure if it's the cause or not. and here's my signal information: and finally, some information from the help page: Model Name: SB6141 Vendor Name: Motorola Firmware Name: SB_KOMODO-1.0.6.12-SCM00-NOSH Boot Version: PSPU-Boot(25CLK) 1.0.12.18m3 Hardware Version: 7.0 In addition, my download speeds seem to be pinned at 32 Mbps max, I should be getting up to 50, and my upload starts out anywhere from 7-12 Mbps, but then quickly drops to 3-4 and stays there.
