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Saturday, August 1st, 2020 4:22 PM

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Ultimate 500 modems

Just confused at why modems rated higher than 500mbps are stuck at the Ultimate Classic tier, which to my understanding is 300mbps and not even offered anymore (grandfathered plan)

- If the modem is rated for 680mbps, what's the technical limitation as to why it can't support 500mbps?

- The current tiers go from 150 mbps service to 500 mbps service.  If you don't even offer Ultimate Classic service anymore, why is it listed on the Cox compatible modem page https://www.cox.com/residential/support/cox-certified-cable-modems.html

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"Modems rated higher than 500mbps are stuck at the Ultimate Classic tier"
  False
  Modems rated higher than Ultimate 500 support up to Gigablast.

"Ultimate Classic not even offered anymore"
  False
  Cox offers 7 plans with Ultimate Classic being a plan.

"The current tiers go from 150 mbps service to 500 mbps service"
  False
  The current tiers range from 25 to 940 Mbps

Stop researching the manufacturer's promise of bandwidth and concentrate on its version of DOCSIS and number of channels.  If you want 1 of the top-3 tiers, get a DOCSIS 3.1.

Gigablast:  940/35 Mbps
Ultimate 500:  500/10 Mbps
Ultimate Classic 300:  300/30 Mbps
Preferred 150:  150/10 Mbps
Essential 50:  50/3 Mbps
Starter 10:  10/1 Mbps (You should get this one)
Connect2Compete:  25/3 Mbps

Cox does need to update their list of Certified Cable Modems.  Cox now offers a 500 Mbps plan but it's not listed as 1 of the highest compatible package.  You only see 3 packages on this page because those 3 packages are just milestones within all the plans:  150, 300 and 940 Mbps.  Perhaps 500 is now a milestone but...like I said...this page needs an update.

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Hi Rbreeze. The requirements for the new Ultimate 500 plan is a DOCSIS 3.1 modem. - Lisa, Cox Support Forums Moderator

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what the mfg tells you the modem will do vs what it actually does, apples/oranges

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I thought that'd be more so for routers than modems.  The technology (D3.1) should be the primary consideration to push bandwidth.

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sure it should be but when folks see "cox certified", they don't read the specs of what  the device will do.

that's why when so many folks are told to stay away from cox equipment, provide their own, they don't have a clue or expertise to resolve the issue & end up in the forum.

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Again...that'd be more so for routers than modems.  The only Cox equipment has an awful router attached to it.

Certified only means Cox will provision it on their network.

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but not with all plans, as you had to point out to the op, needed docsis 3.1 equipment!!

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Now you're talking pineapples and string beans.

As far as routers, I agree manufacturers can be misleading.  First, since most routers are dual-band concurrent (2.4 GHz and 5 GHz), manufacturers often add together the max bandwidths of each frequency and boast speeds of 1200, 1750 or 2600 Mbps.  Second, as you noted, theoretical vs. real-world speeds are apples and oranges, but this mismatch is mostly about routers...not modems.

Modems, on the other hand, are only dependent on their technology:  CDLP, Com21, DOCSIS, DVB/DAVIC, IEEE 802.14, IETF.  Cox has nothing to do with a modem other than selling modems.  It wouldn't matter if you bought the same make/model from Best Buy or Cox, it'd be the same modem with the same technology and the same capabilities.  Are there bad makes/models?  Absolutely but it'd have nothing to do with Cox but with the manufacturer.

The bandwidth of a plan depends on the technology of a modem.  If OP wants 1 of the 3 highest plans, get a D3.1.  If OP wants 1 of the 4 lower plans, get a D3.0.  You should save your money with a lower plan because you wouldn't need a D3.1.

Even a D2.0 would still work on the Cox network and this would be okay if it's delivering the promised bandwidth of an Essential, Starter or Connect2Compete plan.

Mouth once noted Cox only wants D3.1 because it's more efficient on their network.  Efficiency on their network wouldn't be my problem if I'm getting my promised bandwidth.  For example, if I subscribe to Essential and still get my 40 Mbps, efficiency be damned.

My only problem...as well as your observation to troubleshoot...are the crappy routers Cox bolts onto the modems.  Most of the time, the modems are fine.  It's just the awful router attached to it.

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