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IP-enabled clear QAM devices
What is Cox’s solution for the IP-enabled clear QAM devices referenced below? If I am reading this correctly, this would be a solution totally separate from the “mini box” that allow users like me that have a boxee or HDHR tuner to continue to use these products. Thanks,
Austin
Re: Basic Service Tier Encryption; Compatibility Between Cable Systems and Consumer Electronics Equipment, MB Docket No. 11-169, PP Docket No. 00-67.
https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-12-126A1.doc#_Ref314690569
20. To mitigate any harm to the small group of consumers that may use such devices, NCTA’s six largest incumbent cable members–serving 86 percent of all cable subscribers–have committed to adopt, prior to encrypting, a solution that would provide basic service tier access to third-party provided IP-enabled clear QAM devices.92 Pursuant to this commitment, these six cable operators will make basic service tier channels available either via connection from operator-supplied equipment or by providing access to the operator’s security technology. Specifically, these cable operators have proposed to either (i) provide a converter box with “standard home networking capability” that can provide IP-enabled clear QAM devices access to basic service tier channels on the same terms proposed in the Encryption NPRM (“Option 1”),93 or (ii) enable IP-enabled clear QAM devices to access basic service tier channels without any additional hardware through the use of commercially available software upgrades (“Option 2”). 94 NCTA proposed to sunset these commitments three years after we adopt this Order unless the Commission extends them.4 Boxee and CEA argue that these commitments do not sufficiently support the operation of IP-enabled clear QAM devices. Instead, they advocate that all cable operators should be required to make the basic service tier available to IP-enabled devices without additional hardware. 96
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Tecknowhelp
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So you are asking when Cox is going to switch to IPTV? Not any time soon. Their entire infrastructure is built on QAM modulation. I think Cox will cut cable all together before they go IPTV. Maybe in their Gigablast footprint, since you can't do QAM over fiber. As of now, they just install both fiber and coaxial.
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awhiteguy
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No, let me rephrase this. Assume a customer has a third party QAM tuner such as a HDHR, Boxee, Hauppauge PVR, etc. The FCC in the afore mentioned docket is requiring Cox to provide a solution that allows these devices to work prior to encrypting their lineup. They have two options. First is to provide a hardware device that interfaces with these third party devices (some sort of digital tuning adapter that decrypts the signal and passes it along as clear QAM). Their second option is to provide the third party manufacturers with their security technology so it can be implemented in the devices software or firmware. So my question is which solution did Cox choose and how do I go about getting this set up before they start encrypting channels next month. Thanks!
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Could you explain this? Do you mean prior as in time, or prior as in to allow de-modulation before de-cryption? If so, that isn't possible. You can de-crypt before you modulate, but I don't think the other way around.
You mean like they did with Mini boxes? They have encrypted most of the line up across the country and they haven't implemented anything other then the Mini boxes. If the FCC released something new, they haven't applied any pressure yet. Have any other cable providers made this change? If so, how?
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awhiteguy
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The way paragraph 20 reads is prior to turning on encryption they have to implement the solution to the problem. This is nothing new, it was in a FCC docket from Oct 12, 2012. Cox is just now doing encryption in our area. So here is what I'm confused about now. Today, if you have a Hauppauge PVR or HDHR tuner you can receive the Cox TV Starter and TV Starter HD package (clear QAM). We received a thing in the mail that said every TV would require a box or a mini box. I called Cox on Monday and they told me that eventually everything would be encrypted. The FCC requirement states that the basic tier, which I assume is TV starter, will be made available to these third party tuners. So if they are really encrypting everything, I would need a digital transport adapter (DTA) or a software embedded security solution to continue to use the third party tuners. However I did a support chat with Cox tonight and they told me that the "free local channels" would not be encrypted. This would be basically everything in our TV Starter package plus some shopping channels, CSPAN, etc. So I have received two conflicting answers from Cox. Are they going to encrypt TV Starter and TV Starter HD or not? Thanks!
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awhiteguy
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Here is an article discussing Comcast's resolution for Boxee and TiVo devices:
http://www.multichannel.com/news/content/comcast-begins-connect-boxees-cloud-dvr/358875
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Oh, I see now. Thank you for explaining. So according to that article Cox agreed to it, not so much they were mandated. Also, it looks like Comcast is only allowing them in select markets? I know Cox licenses Comcast X1 tech, so maybe they will go the same route as Comcast in this too? This is the first I have heard of it to be honest. Thanks for link.
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Mark_K
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FYI -
That article is 3 years old...
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Could the Tivo Bolt and Cox relationship be the second option? Still requires a cablecard and TA, but it can access Cox EOD, so thats a start.
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The Tivo Bolt and Cox is just an ad showing Cox ondemand is on Tivo now
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Yes. I miss your point. What do you mean "just" an ad? If a 3rd party device can use upstream over coaxial, then that is a sharing of encryption technology of sorts. Also, the Bolt is only available in some areas, so it is possible only certain areas have the systems in place to make this work. Since OP is about getting 3rd party EQ to work with Cox, I think link was relevant.
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