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rsaz9044
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Poor Upload Speed and Packet Loss

I'm starting a new post because the previous thread was locked for some reason.  At this point, now going on several months, my issue is still un-resolved.  I'm seeing waves of upstream packet loss at varying times through out the day.  At time's  up to 50% of upstream packets are being dropped.  The wave typically only lasts a minute or two.  In some cases, I will experience a constant 0.5% - 1% loss on a teamspeak server connection.  I ran ping plotter for a few days and saw that the packets were initially being dropped at the second hop http://10.4.120.1/ I believe that is the local gateway address?

Below is a quick rundown of the troubleshooting I've already completed over the past few months as well as the results of the 4 service visits.

Initial cable modem used was an Arris SB 6141 on Cox Preferred Internet 50 down / 5 up. 

Wired connection with Netgear Nightawk R7000 router. 

1. Swapped all ethernet cables between the PC, Router, and Cable Modem -> No Change

2. Removed router and direct connected between desktop PC and Cable Modem -> No Change

3. Connected another PC (Laptop) both wireless and wired to measure packet loss and rule out issues with the desktop NIC.  Same behavior was exhibited. -> No Change

4. Fully reformatted the desktop PC, disabled all wireless connections, disabled UPNP on the router. -> No Change

5. First Service Tech Visit - Came with a clipboard, said the issue could be my cable modem and there was nothing else he could do.  He recommended I rent the cable modem from cox instead of using my purchased modem.

6. Replaced the Arris 6141 Cable modem with a new purchased Netgear CM600 -> No Change

7. Second service Tech Visit (Field Supervisor) - Service tech rewired my entire home with new coax.  Removed all splitters.  Installed single 5 way amplifier.  Cable modem connection was tested on both an amplified and un-amplified port of the splitter.  New ground fitting installed outside the home. Tech saw no issues with signals however packet loss waves continue to occur.-> No Change

8. Second Service Tech Visit (Field Supervisor)- Tech reviewed wiring, re-pulled one wire that had a staple in the outer jacket and checked levels.  Tech submitted a line maintenance ticket to have the balance rechecked at the street. -> No Change

9. During discussion with a level 2 tech, he agreed that my modem had far too many T3 timeouts and at the very moment I was on the phone with him, he noticed a high fluctuation in my upstream power levels.  All of this information was entered into support notes and requested another field supervisor visit to monitor some issues.  He believe there was definitely an issue with "plant."

9. Third Service Tech Visit (Field Supervisor)- Tech review wiring and questioned fittings installed from the previous tech.  Tech submitted another line maintenance ticket. -> No initial change.  A few days later the packet loss issues improved.  This continued for about a week and then the packet loss issues returned.

At this point I took a break from dealing with this issue as it's been incredibly frustrating.  Each call with tech support is met with the comment "your levels look fine".  Each service tech visit results in no change and no call-back following any additional "line-maintenance.

10. As a hail mary try, I upgraded my service from preferred 50/5 to premium 150/15.  I hoped that this would at least bring to light the issue more clearly.  While I was not having any speed issues previously on the 50/5 plan.  Following the upgrade my upstream speed actually went down!  Speedtests on various services including speedtest.net, and speedof.me were registering as low as 3mb up.  Downspeeds were fine and were showing values in the 165-175 down range.  (I assume due to powerboost.)

10. Made another call to level 2 tech support who again said "my levels look fine", during this phone call I was watching ping plotter as dropped packets spiked into the 30-50% range.  The level 2 tech suggested he could send another field supervisor out to my residence.  I argued that the previous 4 home visits resulted in no changes and at this point it should be evident that the problem is external to my home.  He suggested he would submit a ticket along with an escalation ticket to see if the field supervisor could submit another line maintenance ticket.  At this point I have not heard back.

At this point I feel as if I'm running out of options.  Any ideas?

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  • rsaz9044's avatar
    rsaz9044
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    Here is an old ping plot from earlier on in the process.  This was during a period of low loss <1%.  The dropped packets seem to be consistent across all hops starting with hop #2.  Later hops do seem to get slightly inflated at the same times.  ie. If the loss on hop 2 at a given time is 5%.  The loss at hop 6 at the same time may be 5.8%.  I can repost more detailed graphs of the individual hops if needed.  But from my non-expert review, it would seem the 2nd hop is the issue?

    http://i.imgur.com/eHIbx7x.png

  • Tecknowhelp's avatar
    Tecknowhelp
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    Did you ever learn what your ticket number was? Don't post it here, but I would first follow up to see what was done by maintenance.

    "The maintenance ticket would be initiated by our Field Techs,"

     

  • rsaz9044's avatar
    rsaz9044
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    I'm on with phone support now, nothing was done with the last ticket.  And no line maintenance has been completed.

  • rsaz9044's avatar
    rsaz9044
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    Was just told that she'll need to schedule another service appointment in order to get the line maintenance completed.  I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

  • Tecknowhelp's avatar
    Tecknowhelp
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    rsaz9044 said:
    feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

    When the world is crazy, how can you be sane? Besides, pills are not the best solution. 

    Unfortunately, communication between maintenance and what they do in the field and Tier 1 is almost none existent.  Field Technician will send it to group A, who may send it to group B, who may work on it, find a typo in one of the forms on the ticket and send it back to be redone. Then it sits assigned to that technician who may not come in for a few days, and when he does, will probably just close the ticket and wait for you to call back in. That is why follow up is so important and that is why getting the ticket number is crucial. 

    Has anyone at Cox mentioned the Customer Advocacy Group(CAG)? If not, you may want to ask about them. They specialize in complex problems that require a bird's eye view and act as a contact point so you don't have to start from square one each time you call in.

  • rsaz9044's avatar
    rsaz9044
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    I'll see if I can find something about the CAG.  I had to get off the line before I got too upset.  As a rule, I don't yell at customer support.  If it requires another call-in I'm going to let myself cool off first.   At this point it feels like their support system is designed to just make me give up.  My next move was going to be filing complaints with the local regulators.

  • Tecknowhelp's avatar
    Tecknowhelp
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    rsaz9044 said:
     If it requires another call-in I'm going to let myself cool off first.

    Very wise. By doing that it also counts worst against their stats if that makes you feel better. First call resolution is usually a priority.

    rsaz9044 said:
    support system is designed to just make me give up.

    It probably wasn't designed that way, but it became that way because no one cared enough to change it. I kind of think of it like a kitchen, where you have front of house (waitresses, bartenders, etc) and back of house (cooks, dishwashers, etc). Now imagine trying to communicate complex opinions about your meal to the cook, by proxy through the waitress, while both are trying to do their dedicated positions. It's a mess. The only way to cut through all the red tape is try to create a personal relationship with a employee there. That is where the CAG comes in. They are given (or atleast I hope so) more power to contact different departments and make them accountable for the problem. 

    rsaz9044 said:
    filing complaints with the local regulators.

    If you have that power, use it. You can also go the FCC route, especially if any of the maintenance tickets mention ingress as a possible cause. Considering you are getting T3 errors, which are usually caused by Upstream SNR problems, which can be caused by ingress. "the FCC requires cable operators to have a periodic, on-going program to inspect, locate and repair leaks on their systems". See here for more info.

  • rsaz9044's avatar
    rsaz9044
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    Thanks for the all the info.  I got home from work and currently I'm seeing no loss.  Great right?  Then I checked my modem log and saw there were over 39-T3 timeouts today, followed by a DHCP renew warning.

  • Cox **, they dont have the infrastructure to handle peak internet usage times. Like clockwork every day @ 5pm till around 8pm my internet slows to a crawl & everything starts freezing. On speedtest.net I can bury the needle during non-peak times but am lucky to get 10 during peak times this is because of saturation & apparently cox doesnt care to upgrade their infrastructure they are reactive instead of proactive. They really dont have any legit competition so its profitable to just do the bare minimum. However, they are in for a rude awakening people are cutting the cord by the masses & moving to streaming tv for free so that is going away. Google fiber will be here in the next few years that will kill their internet business, so dont fret they will be bankrupt in a few years if they dont adjust very quickly

  • grymwulf's avatar
    grymwulf
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    the702noonan said:

    Cox **, they dont have the infrastructure to handle peak internet usage times. Like clockwork every day @ 5pm till around 8pm my internet slows to a crawl & everything starts freezing. On speedtest.net I can bury the needle during non-peak times but am lucky to get 10 during peak times this is because of saturation & apparently cox doesnt care to upgrade their infrastructure they are reactive instead of proactive. They really dont have any legit competition so its profitable to just do the bare minimum. However, they are in for a rude awakening people are cutting the cord by the masses & moving to streaming tv for free so that is going away. Google fiber will be here in the next few years that will kill their internet business, so dont fret they will be bankrupt in a few years if they dont adjust very quickly

    And the amount of times we've heard that refrain over the past decade, unfortunately without the political *push* behind either breaking up the ISP monopolies (as MCI v. AT&T did for telephone) or disconnecting delivery from content, there really isn't going to be much change.

    So instead of complaining, and just throwing a fit, let us determine what is causing your slow downs -

    There are the standard questions:

    Wired or Wireless?

    Which equipment?

    Which speed test sites?

    Modem signal levels?

    Modem log?

    And here is a new one: Metropolitan (city) market?